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		<description><![CDATA[    A colleague of mine in the blogging world, Adrian Thysse commented on my last article, The Fifty-First Psalm in English Verse.  His comment brought up some interesting and very important questions facing the world today.  These questions are some of &#8230; <a href="http://www.jwkraft.com/2008/06/30/the-faith-of-reason/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p id="tdk_">    A colleague of mine in the blogging world, <a href="http://naturalinfidel.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" title="Adrian Thysse" id="u9ut">Adrian Thysse</a> commented on my last article, <em id="z9ql"><a href="http://jwkraft.com//?p=46" title="The Fifty-First Psalm in English Verse" id="gvwr">The Fifty-First Psalm in English Verse</a>.  </em>His comment brought up some interesting and very important questions facing the world today.  These questions are some of the key battlefields in the so called, <em id="ybfi">culture wars.</em>  I started to respond to Mr. Thysse&#8217;s comment with another comment but, it soon became too long and too divergent from the original article.  Mr. Thysse&#8217;s original comment appears below in full.<br id="gpqj" /><br id="gpqj0" /></p>
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<p id="v8qk1" class="comment_by"><strong id="v8qk2" style="color: #000000"><a href="http://naturalinfidel.blogspot.com/" title="Adrian Thysse" target="_blank" id="v8qk3" rel="external nofollow">Adrian Thysse</a></strong><br id="v8qk4" /><span id="v8qk5" style="font-size: 9px; color: #b9cf95">June 30, 2008</span></p>
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<p id="v8qk7">“Behold, I in iniquity<br id="v8qk8" /> Was formed the womb within;<br id="v8qk9" /> My mother conceived me also,<br id="v8qk10" /> In guiltiness and sin.</p>
<p id="v8qk11"><br id="zwsh" /></p>
<p id="v8qk11">It is a heavy burden Christian’s bear, but self imposed.Doesn’t your passion for truth conflict with your faith? How do you keep them separate?</p>
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<p>The first part is a direct quote from my post.  It is Psalm 51:5, in an English verse translation.  My response to the questions raised by Mr. Thysse is below.  In deciding how to respond, I found that moving in reverse order (of that in which the questions were posed) will work best.  <br id="j.01" /><br id="j.014" />    How do I keep my faith and my passion for truth separate?  There is an underlying claim in this question and it is that, <em id="c3hq">my faith is not also true</em>.   I fully understand that Mr. Thysse is not a Christian and so, I expect him to believe Christianity to be false.  Also nothing should be taken dogmatically.  The more important an issue is, the more reason there is to test the conclusion.  Certainly world view and metaphysical beliefs are extremely important, and so should be subjected to the highest levels of scrutiny.  See my article, <em id="mbzr"><a href="http://jwkraft.com//?p=45" title="Pseudo-Polite Conversation" id="dfjf">Pseudo-Polite Conversation</a></em>, for more on my views on this.   <br id="xzwj" /><br id="xzwj0" /></p>
<p>The unstated premises (I hope Mr. Thysse will forgive me for making assumptions) for this question are that,<br id="ehf3" /><br id="tdk_0" /></p>
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<li id="tdk_2">Christian faith is unreasonable and not supported by reason.</li>
<li id="tdk_3">I am a reasonable person (he says that I have a <em id="h8tj">&#8220;passion for truth&#8221;</em>) and yet am a Christian.<br id="j626" /></li>
<li id="tdk_3">The first and second premises contradict <br id="f0-6" /></li>
<li id="tdk_3">Therefore, I am either making a separation between faith and rationality (as Mr Thysse believes) or I am a walking contradiction.</li>
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<p><br id="y:91" />    Now that I have spent two paragraphs expanding a six word question, I will get to answering it.  First I would like to thank Mr. Thysse for implying that I am a reasonable person.  Thanks.  I try my best to be reasonable and your ackowledgment of the fact means that we can conduct a civilized debate.<br id="x6n7" /><br id="x6n70" />    Second, I do not keep them separate.  (Hey, a six word response!)  To do so <em id="fbgn">would</em> constitute a contradiction.  I can not love truth during the week and indulge in what I know to be fantasy on Sundays.  That would be literally and in all other ways, insane.  <br id="d.oo0" /><br id="vcqk" />    So, it appears that I have backed myself into a corner.  Mr. Thysse presented a dilemma, either I make a separation or I live a contradiction.  I have stated that to make a separation would be a contradiction.  So it appears that, I&#8217;m damned if I do and damned if I don&#8217;t.  I have already stated that I do not make a separation between my faith and my passion for truth.  I&#8217;ll now address the other option in the dilemma, namely that I am a walking contradiction.<br id="s5o4" /><br id="s5o40" />    This, I do not accept.  I do not believe that a contradiction exists between my faith and my pursuit of truth.  <em id="db82">(I suppose, I should be thankful to Mr. Thysse for assuming that I made a separation rather than asking &#8220;why are you a walking contradiction?&#8221;)</em>  I find Christian faith to best explain the universe we live in.  That is to say, I find Christianity to be reasonable and rational.  <br id="dw:t" /><br id="dw:t0" />    We must dismiss completely, with the idea that metaphysical questions, (such as, what is ultimate reality, is there a god, what is the meaning of life,  and why is there evil?) are questions of science or that science could answer.  They are not.  These are not the sort of questions that scientists ask; nor are they the sort of questions that science answers.  If we found video footage of the last six billion (or 100 billion) years and could see the beginning of life and all the wars and famines in history, it would not tell us why there is evil, if there is a god, if he is active or passive, or if he is knowable or distant.  <br id="fxry" /><br id="fxry0" />    Science ( and mathematics, physics etc.)  is very useful but, it is limited.  Science can answer many questions but not questions of this sort.  I do not know if Mr. Thysse&#8217;s belief that Christianity is unreasonable is based on an adherence to science or not but, it is very common to believe that science is somehow at odds with faith, religion, and even philosophy.  It is not.  It cannot be.  Science being opposed to these things is like English muffins being opposed to purple.  If you believe in English muffins then you cannot believe in purple and the other way around.  It makes now sense at all.  You cannot even conceive of what it means for English muffins to oppose purple.  The same is true of science opposing faith.<br id="jhv4" /><br id="jhv40" />    It seems that in the course of answering the question about separation, I have also answered the question, &#8220;doesn&#8217;t your passion for truth conflict with your faith?&#8221;  It does not.  My faith is based on what I believe to be true.  I believe it was Augustine who said that &#8220;all truth is God&#8217;s truth.&#8221;  This is what I believe.  If God exists, and I believe he does, then all honest search for truth whether molecular biology, astronomy, philosophy, or a criminal investigation, is a search for God.  This is true even when the searcher is not conscience of it or does not believe in God. However, when the search is not really about truth but rather about supporting a previously held position, then neither is it a search for God.  <br id="luof" /><br id="luof0" />    Now to respond to the first sentence in Mr. Thysse&#8217;s comment.  <br id="wqbu" /></p>
<blockquote id="gnow"><p>It is a heavy burden Christian’s bear, but self imposed.</p></blockquote>
<p>The burden is only self imposed if it is not true, but that is beside the point and not worth arguing about at the moment.  Mr. Thysse has made a very astute observation that most of the secular world does not recognize or at least, does not admit to recognizing.  Mr. Thysse has recognized the heavy burden.  Yes there is a heavy burden, but Christians do not bear it.  That is the essence of Christianity.  We <em id="s-dp">have </em>sinned, we <em id="s-dp0">are </em>living outside of our original nature, we <em id="s-dp1">are </em>God&#8217;s enemies but God in his love has extended his hand to us, so that we may become His children!  He has taken the burden from us!  We do not bear the burden because Jesus bore it on our behalf.  As Paul said, <em id="czbh"><br id="r3t1" /> <br id="r3t10" /> &#8220;There is therefore now <u id="f7ow">no condemnation</u> for those who are in Christ Jesus.&#8221;</em> <br id="r3t11" /> Romans 8:1 English Standard Version. Underlining mine.<br id="r3t12" /> <br id="r3t13" />  Or even earlier in that same Psalm,  <br id="yx6d" /></p>
<p id="w3i2" style="text-align: center"><em id="d:3-"><br id="r3t14" /> For your compassion great, blots out </em><br id="yx6d0" /> <em id="d:3-">All my iniquity.</em><br id="gkch" /> Psalm 51:2  <br id="w3i20" /> <br id="w3i21" /></p>
<p id="w3i22" style="text-align: left">And later, <br id="w3i23" /> <br id="w3i24" /></p>
<p id="gkch0" style="text-align: center"><em id="gkch1">With perfume do, you sprinkle me,<br id="gkch2" />  I shall be cleansed so;<br id="gkch3" />  Yes, wash me please, and then I will<br id="gkch4" />  Be whiter than new snow!<br id="h8f4" /> </em>Psalm 51:7<br id="nz2x" /> <br id="nz2x0" /></p>
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<p id="ac_q" style="text-align: left">Or as Jesus Himself said,<br id="bioz" /> <br id="bioz0" /> &#8220;<em id="uumm">Come to me, all who labor and are <u id="id75">heavy laden</u>, and I will give you rest.  Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.  For my yoke is easy, and <u id="id750">my burden is light</u>.</em>&#8220;  <br id="t7g2" /> Mathew 11:28-30 English Standard Version. Underlining mine. <br id="iks1" /> <br id="iks10" /> This is Why Christianity is ultimately reasonable and rational.<br id="iks11" /> <br id="iks12" /></p>
<ul id="iks13">
<li id="iks14">It explains where the universe came from, God created it.  This is a question that you must answer no matter what you believe about old Earth creationism, young Earth creationism, intelligent design, evolution, the big bang, panspermia, or any other theory out there.</li>
<li id="iks14">It accepts the existence of evil as evil. (as does Islam and some other religions)</li>
<li id="iks14">It reconciles men who do evil with God, (Islam does not) who is pure good and has nothing to do with evil.  <br id="k9-s" /></li>
<li id="iks14">This is accomplished through Jesus Christ.  This is the lifting of the burden.</li>
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<p><br id="d9nf" /> Looking back, I&#8217;m glad that I made an article out of this instead of a comment.  I hope this is useful to Mr. Thysse and anyone else out there with similar questions.  I gladly accept comments and criticism especially from Mr. Thysse.  Please don&#8217;t hesitate to comment, anyone, this is a debate after all.  <br id="k9-s0" /></p>
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<p>Below is my rendition of Psalm 51 in English verse.  The Psalms were originally written as poetry.  I understand the need for accuracy in translations but I believe we lose so much when the aesthetic aspect of the verse is given such low priority.  As always, comments, critiques, and charges of heresy are welcomed.</p>
<p align="center">    After your loving-kindness, Lord,<br />
Have mercy upon me!<br />
For your compassion great, blots out<br />
All my iniquity.</p>
<p>Cleanse me from sin, and throughly wash<br />
Off my depravity!<br />
For my transgressions I confess;<br />
My sin I ever see.</p>
<p>&#8216;Gainst you, you alone, have I sinned,<br />
In your sight done this ill;<br />
That when you speak you may be just,<br />
And clear in judging still.</p>
<p>Behold, I in iniquity<br />
Was formed the womb within;<br />
My mother conceived me also,<br />
In guiltiness and sin.</p>
<p>With pure truth, you are delighted.<br />
You see the hidden part.<br />
And wisdom you shall cause me know,<br />
Within my inner heart.</p>
<p>With perfume do, you sprinkle me,<br />
I shall be cleansed so;<br />
Yes, wash me please, and then I will<br />
Be whiter than new snow!</p>
<p>Of merriment and joyfulness<br />
Cause me to hear the voice;<br />
So that these very bones which you<br />
Have broken, might rejoice.</p>
<p>All my iniquities blot out,<br />
Hide your face from my sin.<br />
My Lord, a pure heart create, give<br />
Me a right spirit within!</p>
<p>Cast me not from your sight, nor take<br />
Your Holy Spirit away!<br />
Restore me thy salvation&#8217;s joy;<br />
May my spirit willing, stay.</p>
<p>Then will I teach your ways unto<br />
Those that transgressions do;<br />
And those that sinners are, will then<br />
Turn their eyes unto you.</p>
<p>From guilt of shedding blood, free me,<br />
Lord of my redemption!<br />
Loosed at last; loud shall my tongue sing,<br />
God, of your salvation!</p>
<p>My sealed lips, O Lord, by you<br />
Let them be wide opened;<br />
Then shall your praises by my mouth<br />
Be broadly loud proclaimed.</p>
<p>For you desire not sacrifice,<br />
Nor does burnt offering;<br />
Supply you with good pleasure, were<br />
It so, I’d bring these things.<br />
(And bring them with good measure!)</p>
<p>A broken spirit is to God<br />
The pleasing sacrifice:<br />
A broken and repentant heart,<br />
Lord, you will not despise.</p>
<p>Show favor, and do good, O Lord,<br />
To Zion, your delight.<br />
The walls of your Jerusalem<br />
Build up as you see right.</p>
<p>Then, in just offerings you’ll please,<br />
And offerings burnt, they<br />
With whole bulls and young calves<br />
Will on your alter lay.</p>
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